2004-09-20 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: hahaha = D

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: no one is on....how dull

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: I'm here. Just waiting for someone to talk. :)

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I could give any one of you an arguement about you right-wing supporting ideology and shoot each of you down with my amazing mind-abilities. Try it. Message me and see what happens. As they say... I am god.

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: *laughs and rolls eyes*

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: Try it. I dare you. You think I will turn out like every other liberal on this page and resort to saying fuck you and whatnot. I'm above that. I will shoot you down with panache and style.

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: don't be so cocky.

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: well, thank you for your kind, un-arrogant offer, but no thanks, we don't tipically respond to close-minded, finger pointing preachers, such as yourself, even if your manner is with "panache and style", this is a support wiki for people who believe in one thing...and if you don't like it, don't visit it. plain and simple. we don't like to argue, it solves nothing, besides making two sides mad at each other. were not cowards, were just people who invest their time in something more worth while...have a good day

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I can. I have the I.Q. to be cocky. And unlike most people here, I didn't take mine on a silly internet test, so it's real. I'm not saying that determines everything, but'll help me. Just try arguing one think you think I'll argue back about. If you don't believe me, go to Support Bush. I was the only liberal minded person in there to offer strong valid points against things like war and evil republicans.

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: Don't forget though, I am GOD. I can make any point valid.

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I'm not protesting against your wiki. I simply asked if anybody wanted to debate. I'm in the mood for constructive arguing. I am not a "close-minded" finger pointing preacher. I haven't preached anything yet. I plan not to. I plan to have an intelligent and thoughtful conversation, but so far no one has stepped up. I'm waiting.

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: okay....heres a suggestion, if you're a god, how come your so full of yourself.....take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and think how you've ever changed someones life. your full of hot air and your comments reflect that, your not as bad-ass as you think, and i'm through listning to you...please show some respect mister "i'm so great" you aren't better than anyone, and don't try to portray us as idiots...mock me all you want, you'll only prove my point

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I have changed plenty of people's lives. I am a friend, a mentor to younger artist, I help my mother teach her sixth-grade class, I comfort friends in need and I plan on doing even more. I am a bad ass. I've been in, and been beaten up in enough fights to say anything I want. And what does physical violence have to do with anything? I never stated I was a bad ass. You said that one, my friend...I find it odd how all of the sudden you have become so defensive. Is it because you think that someone might actually challenge such a bigoted wiki as this? I have mocked no one so far, and I intend not to, as that would put me on your level. I have shown the utmost respect, and yet you seem intent

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: Yay! go Hobitz! *claps to show support*

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: on dodging any valid request I send out for an intelligent discussion. It saddens me that you will not come out from under your rock of fear and calmly have a discussion with me. I am confident in myself, and I think in fact that I am a great person, and many other people are great as well. The problem I have, is I am not able to see this greatness in any of you. If I subjected one of you to a thoughtful debate, I might have the chance to see greatness in every one of you guys.

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: what kind of blasphamous moron calls himself "God"? I swear, if we were in the christian wiki, I'd really go off on that.

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: Well I would. You see, I'm not exactly sure that god is real. Right now, I'm sticking with believing in reincarnation and such. So I feel I can call myself god. The word "god" has no meaning to me as of right now.

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I am sorry that I have offended you. I shall call myself greatness from now on, not wanting to offend the religious persons in the wiki.

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: Just because you call yourself God doesn't make it so. I can go ahead and call myself the first female president of the United States but that doesn't mean its true. I consider myself to be a strong and faithful catholic, but hearing someone say such things really boils my blood.

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I didn't intend for it to hold any truth. I meant for it to show my greatness. Even though I have apologized though, no one has challenged me to a thoughtful debate.

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: apology accepted. I would debate, but its 1am here and I have to be up early for work. Have a good night, everybody.

2004-09-22 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: Then it is settled, we will debate, but at a later time. I understand, and I hope you sleep well.

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: okay....that went well...is anyone on?

2004-09-22 [HiddenFire]: no

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: oh...okay than....

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: I'm baaaaaaaAAAaaaaack...:)

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: hi....nice comversation you finished i see

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: um, thanks

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: that conversation could have gotten very nasty

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yes...agreed, i'm staying out of it...like i have with the last three or four arrogants who have come on here claiming greatness....*rolls eyes* i fugure they can call me names and try to spew me with words of what i am, and what i believe...the way i figure....it dosen't really matter...we never accomplish anything anyways

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: yeah, I know..But I can't sit back and let someone call themself God or go on and on about their "extraordinary" intellect without saying anything. I think some people just enjoy going into a room and stirring it up a bit. Makes things a little more interesting.

2004-09-22 [HiddenFire]: oh wow! First that guy claims a high IQ then he proceeds to be an "Intellectual bully." indeed, that could have easily gotten out of hand. @.@ Seems like one of those crazy democrats to me! ~_^ (joking). I'm allways up for debate... but I'm not up for political debate, they're all lieing bastards and the whole thing is a joke now. *shrugs* as for this, no one who dissagrees with gay marriage wants to address me in debate either. *shrugs* or at least not how I would like them to. But who am I to demand terms? *shrugs* @.@

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: i suppose...and yes..the ego was a bit much

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: lol, like I said before...he's cocky and its going to get him into trouble someday.

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yes yes..but lets turn our thoughts.....how is everyone?

2004-09-22 [HiddenFire]: If anyone can claim devinity it will be me. And I would do it logically, backing it up with something. Some degree of theology. Not a simple "I am GOD." @.@ That does not accurately portray a sense of greatness. That portrays extreme arrogance. It's better to spout percentages like "I'm more intelligent that 98% of the worlds population" (which is true by the way... for me). :P

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: lol, the way I see it, the "great" people of this world are the ones who don't actually CLAIM to be great. They are the humble people who work their asses off to help other people who need them.

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: history remembers the greatness of people by the deeds they have done, not the size of their brains.

2004-09-22 [HiddenFire]: That is also very true. Hitler was a genius (IQ: 145), and we all know where that got him. @.@

2004-09-22 [Lioness123]: sorry people, gotta go. I'll be back later tonight. Later! *exits room*

2004-09-22 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: *waves goodbye*

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: You guys didn't ask me to say anything. If you give me a topic, then I will enlighten you. You merely assumed that I would be up front with you and prove my intellect. I'm still open to having people message with me. I would be more than pleased to have a good arguement in my hands.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: And I have not bullied anyone. In fact you guys were the one calling me names and pointing fingers. I was just asking for a nice debate. Is it wrong to have abundant self-confidence? I think not.

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: You don't have to actually "beat" on someone to bully them intellictually. It was more or less your overbearing supierority complex that was doing the bullying. As if you assumed you where better than everyone here. I happen to be more intelligent than 98% of the worlds population (I plan on trying to join Mensa within the year) But I do not just walk in places and say "want to debate? I'm smarter than all of you! I am great! I cannot be beaten! etc..." Although self confidence is what most people find attractive, you have excess pride. Try some humility on for size. Being proud of something only leads to your being hurt when that pride is challanged.

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: hey, what happened to that guy? o_O i think most of us in here like a good debate, i know i do, but walking around claiming you're god... well, most of you have already said it. and for the whole inteligence thing, a high IQ doesn't necersaliry make you smart... one of the people with the higest IQ i know (164) dropped out of school and became... well, nothing really. in any case, i don't think IQ is a good argument in a debate...

2004-09-23 [Lioness123]: *sits back and listens* I think I'll just keep my mouth shut this time and let these guys "debate"

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: Indeed, my father and one of my cousins have higher IQ's than myself and I'm still much more intelligent than they. Of course I am biased because what I consider intelligent may not be what they consider intelligent. *shrugs* My dad only "thinks" he knows somethings and my cousin was still stupid enough to get knocked up as a teen by some dead beat who has since fallen off the face of the earth. People who are intelligent need to have that intelligence nurtured or they become bored and give up. I am the kind of person who likes to learn something and move on to the next thing. So my grades suffered because I didn't do much homework. @.@ *shrugs*

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: hehe, a bit the same case in my family... i dunno, neither of my parents are especially inteligent... except my dad, but he's only 121 which is pretty average... but my brothers on the other hand... 164 and 132... funny thing though is that the one with the high inteligence dropped out... everything simply bored him... i dunno, looking at all the so called 'inteligent' people i know have given me a rather negative view on the suject... in my eyes IQ proves nothing, what really proves anything is the will to use the inteligence with which you have been blessed... what good is a gift if you don't use it?

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: What good is such a gift if the school system does not let you use it? I had to find other things to occupy my mind, I'm only just over 140... about the same as Hitler... meaning I'm smart enough to be dangerous. I did things like drawing and programming to occupy my mind. I programed games into my calculator. Not like those lazy kids who downloaded them off of the internet, I made them myself! I even made tic-tac-to with artificial intelligence (granted it was stupid intelligence because I didn't take the time to break down the entire game into math for an unbeatable program). *shrugs*

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: lol... well, i'm only a good little 126.... not much compared to my brothers... or you for that matter. :P so of course that's always been a weak spot for me, being the stupider of the family. :P but that's true... they don't do much to motivate people with higher inteligince... even people down on my level feel bored in school with nothing challenging to do... oh, and you don't have to have a high IQ to be dangerouse... some times it's the stupid once you gotta look after...

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: 126 is still 6 points above the normal range (80 -120). So be glad for that much. I know the low IQ people can be dangerous too... I live in Texas, we have no shortage of violent rednecks. @.@ But the smart ones are the ones who take over countries, or come up with other diabolical schemes to somehow cause trouble. I actually do have such plans. ^_^ Including the use of computer/video/console games to almost brainwash future generations into building the world in my vision. ^_^

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: hehe, sounds like a good plan to me... apparently we don't have the same point system in USA and in denmark.. in denmark, and most nordic countries, the average inteligence is between 90 and 110... i'm only 4 points from mensa level by danish standards. :P anyways, that would make me 'inteligent' but it so damn annoying to have just 4 BLOODY POINTS from mensa! oh well, sorry there, it just annoys me. but i agree the real dangerouse people are the stupid people... cause everybody knows clever people are dangerouse, but tend to count stupid people of for being... well stupid. :P

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: Aparently Americans are particularly stupid. *joking* note that the dead average is still 100, we just consider a wider range to be normal. *shrugs* We can generally count on the stupid people doing something stupid. Often that means dangerous. @.@ Many a rednecks last words where "Watch this!" @.@

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: haha, i bet they were... but not all rednecks are stupid are they? :P hm, well you migh consider more people normal... i dunno, but it's good for bush that you do, it is... cause by danish standards he would be lightly retarded. XD

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: *shrugs* I'm acutally pro Bush, I think he's just a bad speaker... probably only average intelligence. I do believe that all our other presidents had higher IQ's though. @.@

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: To be considered mentaly retarded would require an IQ at or below 70. Bush has at least got an 80. @.@ but of course those tests have a 15 point +/- margin of error. @.@

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: mm, he is the president with the second lowest IQ ever... only person who beats him is his own dad... supports the theory that stupid people can be dangerouse... well, i'm okay with people supporting bush, i just don't like him much myself... in my eyes, he's just the front figure, and a not to bright one at that...

2004-09-23 [ArchangelGabriel]: every country needs a figure head. In america its the president, in england we have the queen, because shes the figuree head the primemnister can get on with his job. Theres a the promblem with bush, thers no one to take the public heat

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: Indeed, he's got to be somewhat of puppet, or at least very accomadating to certain friends in high places. *shrugs* but I support a reasonable amount of what he stands for... but not his anti-gay marriage stance. He's better than Kerry as far as I'm concerned. Kerry scares me. But as far as the presidential election goes, it's all going to be based on who we want to lie to us next. It's all become one big joke, as far as I'm concerned. It's rather pittifull. @.@

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: yeah it is... i don't like either of them... or more like, i don't like bush, and i'm not sure how to feel about kerry... denmark has a figure head to... our queen, but it's still our primeminister who takes the crap... and he deserves it to. but yeah, i see bush as a puppet... it's not so much him i dislike (though i dislike him to) it's more the people behind him...

2004-09-23 [ArchangelGabriel]: i think in england we know our polutions are corupt to start with and we don't worry about them lying

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: mm, well, that's both fair enough and a bit sad... that's one point i can be proud of denmark about... there's only one country less corrupted then denmark, and that's finland...

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: The people behind him are conservative chirstian prudes who beleive in everyone's right to worship only their god and follow their rules. It's sad really. But the majority of people are reprehensibly stupid and ignorant so it's no suprise. *shrugs* I am idealistic but I am also extremely cinical, which has lead me to support some of his descisions. But of course, living in Texas, I am constantly bombarded by his propaganda. *shrugs* In which case the question is "whose lies to I believe the most?" @.@

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: mm, it does... well, i'm jsut glad i don't live in the states and don't have to make that decision... and it's precisly does people i fear... they might be weak alone (and stupid) but when they join forces they really can be dangerouse.... or at least i think they can be. oh and don't worry... anybody who cares just a little bit about politics or religion ends up like that... at least that's my experience...

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: The Klan for example. @.@ a bunch of christian rednecks who believe in absurd things like "racial prudity" and "white superiority." They are all seriously ignorant people and they would be shuned out of society if they where open about it, so they get together with a bunch of other ignorant christian rednecks, wear bedsheets and do horrific things in the name of god and prurity. I'm almost ashamed to be white because of them. Of course my blood is far from their definition of "pure" and in that, I am proud. ^_^

2004-09-23 [ArchangelGabriel]: everyone was black one time

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: hehe, and neither is mine... and i'm proud about it to... i'm thankfull we don't have KKK in denmark, on the other hand, we have the nazi party, alive and legal... isn't much better really... except for the fact that they don't run around doing stuff like that... but still... stupid people are dangerouse when they join together to spread the stupidity...

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: yep, studies have been done on midochondrial DNA to track back everyone alive to single woman in Africa. We've got NeoNazis but here in Texas we've mostly got the klan... it's a good thing they stay out of the public eye though. *shrugs*

2004-09-23 [Lioness123]: the kind of people I try to watch out for are the ones who are indeed very intelligent, but try to appear stupid so as to blend into the crowd. If I were really smart, I wouldn't go around boasting about it and making it known that I am one to be reckoned with...but I'd learn as much about other people just by keeping my trap shut and observing their habits and behaviors. You can learn alot about someone just by the way they move and what they do with their hands when the're nervous. --kinda like when playing poker

2004-09-23 [ArchangelGabriel]: the world is full of ignorant/stupid/mental/idiotic ETC people, thats why it s dangerous place

2004-09-23 [Lioness123]: many troubles have come from people with too much intelligence and not enough wisdom.

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: or common sense for that matter. @.@

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: i agree with your there lioness... that would be a smart thing to do... would never work for me though, i brag to much.. :P heh, at least i've been told so. i don't think it's a good thing they keep out of public eye... that's why the nazis are legal in denmark.. as long as they're legal and out in the open you can keep an eye on them.

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: The Klan is legal, but most of the things they want to be able to do is not. Of course they don't see it as wrong because to them, all other races are just animals. @.@

2004-09-23 [Lioness123]: that is so sick and wrong that I don't know where to begin...

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: hm... i guess we're luckier with the nazis then...

2004-09-23 [Lioness123]: It makes me want to cry to know that there is so much hatred in the world...and that these hateful orginizations breed more hate...how can people be so blind?

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: To me all people are animals. *shrugs* That includes myself. We all deserve respect... But we are the most intelligent. The smarter the animal the more respect it deserves. Admitedly, I don't think too highly of people who are vegitables due to mental retardation. All they do is cost money. I think it's sick to keep them alive. But that's a whole other can of worms. @.@

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: because they never got eyes in the first place? there's ignorant and hatefull people all over the world... we just have to either live with it, or find away to kill them... see, there i turned hatefull, i hate nazis and ignorant people... in the end that doesn't make me jack better then them...

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: that, on the other hand i think is wrong... killing people... or getting rid of them because they're stupid... if we do that, were do we stop it after the retarded people? the stupid people? the normal people? the people below mensa? stuff like that you jsut can't do... because you do that, we don't know how far they'll take it...

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: Violence begets violence. Break the chain, that's the only thing you can do. Refuse to be another link in the chain of violence. That's the best you can do.

2004-09-23 [Lioness123]: I don't hate anyone...although I may STRONGLY dislike them. And as for KILLING people, that is MURDER any way you slice it. Humans are indeed creatures, but (my religious beliefs at work here) we are far from animals. I believe that animals were put here for humans by God. As for people who are mentally retarded and vegitative, they are still human beings and deserve to be treated as such.(This coming from a nurse in training) I have an aunt who has downs syndrom and she is the sweetest person I know. 

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: the peopel who are vegitables, incapable of taking care of themselves. People who do nothing but sit in wheelchairs drueling, deficating and urinating on themselves because they don't even have the mental capacity to control their own bodily functions. I think people keep them alive out of sheer pitty and the unwillingness to let them go. They are someone's child. But it's crule to allow people to live like that. Just plain sick.

2004-09-23 [Pale-Suzie]: well, i don't know about that... some of them, yeah... maybe it would be better to let them die... on the other hand they are still people... and you don't kill people.

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: I have known many downs people. They are all rather sweet. I'm not talking about them. Your aunt is not a vegitable. That considered I'm also against forcing people to go through medical procedures that they will have to pay for the rest of their lives. If I don't have the money to get something done and it's going to put my family in debt I would opt to die with dignity and give my family the chance to get by with what little they have instead of making them choose between me and homelessness. I know they'de rather have me, but I don't think it's fair at all to put a price on a human life.

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: I am a firm believer in human Euthanasia. People with painful terminal illnesses should be able to choose a painless death over a long and painful torterous death. Death on their terms. Sure that means they might just miss a cure, but that risk is theirs to take. It's selfish to want to keep someone alive simply because you cannot come to terms with their mortality.

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: Of course, then again, like I've said before "Life is a terminal illness with a deadly cure." And that could open the door for so many assisted suicides going to court and winning becuase of some technicality. @.@

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I know this might sound crazy, but maybe what we need is indiscriminate genocide. In other words, we need to get rid of a huge portion of the population on the earth. It's either that or we could stop having children. This year, the world's population lies around 6 billion people. Our tolerance limit for population is supposed to be way below that. Within a few years, the world's population will have grown exponentially to 9 billion people.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: That will cause unthinkable horrors to occur on our earth. Thousands of plant and animal species will die and wars will become a constant part of life, (because of resource problems.) So maybe we need to let go of religious convictions and just accept that we may not be the center of the universe. Who really needs another baby to be born? I know it sounds harsh, but when everyone is struggling to attain resources, another hand grabbing at them is NOT needed.

2004-09-23 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: uh-huh...you go ahead and suggest that to the president...tell us how it goes

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I'm not suggesting that a nation do it. Maybe we need a disaster to happen, something that wipes out a huge portion of the world's population.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: A massive earthquake, a strange virus with no cure, something to just level of the population a bit. Everything requires balance, and as of now, we're out of balance. The world needs to be set back on track. And maybe the people left would get a good lesson out of it too.

2004-09-23 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: a good lesson about a natural disaster...humm, okay....and this would solve what? the world is the way it is...weither we like it or not...and if a natural disaster does somehow come along...so be it..i highly doubt it...but okay. I find it interesting that a person such as yourself, who clames to help people and be so intelligent...could wish for such a thing...you may be smart...but you arent' very wise

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: My sentiments exactly. But I'm more for the restricted breeding programs. Just have it to where the government helps you out with one kid, doesn't pay for the second, and starts taking stuff away if you have a three or more. That way there will be tax benifits of having only one kid. Not to mention that less people means more available jobs! Higher employment rates, higher pay, and cheaper goods (because more robots will be able to make stuff because they won't be taking people's jobs). That strange virus is HIV, it's doing quite a good job of gnashing at Africa's population and the population of several other countries across the world. @.@

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: You put too much value on human life. We are all animals, none of us really diserve to live. Even by Christian standards "For the wages of sin is death" and "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." So thusly we all diserve nothing but death. End of story.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: Oh, but I am. Now you're just trying to insult me. And you really don't want me to be mean. I'm showing a lot of restraint right now so watch out. A natural disaster, as I stated, would put the world back into balance. It would get rid of humans. Humans are the cause of a lot of problems in the world. So removing a large number of people an already overpopulated earth would lessen the burden we place on the earth. It would allow time for natural resources to recover, and for humans to think about doing things differently.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: sorry for the delayed response. I was doing something to prepare for college.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: And I don't put any value on human life unless it contributes to the balance of life. An organism has to contribute something to the earth, as a termite breaks down dead trees, or a spider controls insect population, to be considered something worthwile. And instead of bringing god into the arguement, try looking at it from a different view...perhaps science.

2004-09-23 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: I must admit though, the sayings you selected were very interesting.

2004-09-23 [HellzHalo426]: hey hey everyone! i am back from 3 weeks grounding! woot!

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: I was talking about Snowboarding Hobitz... you I agree with. I was not trying to bring God into the argument. I was addressing all the religious nuts out there that want to use religion to prove the sanctity of human life. I was just pointing out that their precious religion says they all diserve to die. You sure did missunderstand me on that one. I'm on your side with this one and you start barking at me. @.@ If anything I was trying to insult those apposed to you and I. @.@ In my opinion you are right. There are far too many people and far too many bad people at that. Only a handful are worth the chemicals they are made up of. Only a handful are genuinely caring, loving, and intelligent.

2004-09-23 [HellzHalo426]: *yawns and sits down eyes big wide and innocent*

2004-09-23 [HiddenFire]: Most people are ignorant, selfish, and greedy... among other things. The only want to take from this world because they have some misguided notion that they diserve everything because they where born human. If you can't tell, I don't like people. I don't hate any specific group... I disslike everyone equally... save a select few. I may have very few friends but those that I have are great... no casual friends for me. I simply do not tollerate the drama. @.@

2004-09-23 [HellzHalo426]: i lovies my friends!

2004-09-24 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: Oh no, you misunderstood me. I wasn't barking at you on the " I can get mean" comment, I was bitching out [Snowboarding Hobitz].

2004-09-24 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: lol

2004-09-24 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: You are very right though. Trying to have an intelligent conversation about current events, or things that actually matter is a challenge today. I asked a girl I am friends with the other day if she thought Communism was a feaseable idea. She responded with: "What is communism?"

2004-09-24 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: funny how you two seem to portray yourselves as saints, evey one else is wrong and has faults...besides yourselves..interesting

2004-09-24 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: If you were so smart you would realize that *ohh, and your going to bitch at me for this...oh well, I’m sure I’ll get over it* but you would realize that religion is a whole separate thing than a relationship with Jesus, so saying that God and religion are the same thing isn't necessarily true, therefore I CAN infect drag religion into these discussions and not be referring to God...and if your so intelligent in all matters, you would than realize how your arrogance, and hate for human kind portrays you as a conceited jack -ass

2004-09-24 [HiddenFire]: *sigh* The only way to drag religion into a debate without bringing in God would be if you bring in some other diety other than the christian God. God and Jesus are the same person, so draging in one is the same as draging in the other. God is a religious diety, you really cant have one without the other. I don't hate human kind, I just highly disslike people. I am horrifically disgusted with how plain EVIL people are, including the most devout christians. I have seen attrocities commited by those that consider themselves quite righteous.

2004-09-24 [HiddenFire]: I don't think I'm a saint. I am just highly opinionated and I can back up my opinions with sound logic. I can back it up with psychology, sociology, biology, and science in general... void of religious convictions.

2004-09-24 [HiddenFire]: Christianity IS a persons personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It IS NOT simply believing in God and going to church on easter. If a christian is going to bring religion into an arguement they are likely bringing in their own... christianity. You cannot talk about christianity without saying something that is not supported by Christ. God and Jesus Christ are the same person, unless you want to admit to polytheism, and thusly to bring your religion into an argument God comes with it whether you want him to or not.

2004-09-24 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: okay...i'v been reading over the conversation and have come to the conclusion that i have been very rude, and have been portraying my views in the wrong way...this is just a formal apology to both Subway and HiddenFire...i don't want to fight anymore, and I am sorry for insulting you....this is the last thing I will say untill this subject is changed or untill i am asked into the conversation..i'm not hiding or running away, you can say that i am...but i know i'm not...i'm just compleatly tired of fighting and being belittled, just please respect the views of the members of this wiki, and think about how we may feel about something....good day to all * and this time i really mean it*

2004-09-24 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: The only reason anyone would belittle you is because you came off as rude. If you had simply agreed to have a debate or a conversation or said no, you would have spared everyone from this lengthy argument. Now as for the God issue, I don't see how you couldn't talk about religion without mentioning God. Organized religion usually functions of the idea that we're governed by higher powers, so bringing God into the conversation is inevitable, no matter which religion you follow. Every religion has a higher power, or a group of higher powers. I don't hate human kind at all. I'm just sincerely disappointed with our progress in this world.

2004-09-24 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: You're right about being rude though, [Snowboarding Hobitz]. Implying, or calling people jack-asses is not a way to come off as nice.

2004-09-24 [HiddenFire]: *shrugs* I wasn't insulted. I was comming off rather strong and bordering on being a jack-ass. I admit it, I make people angry. Not ententionally but many of the things I say make people angry. There was a lot of confusion, no one knew who they where actually addressing. Quite chaotic. [Typical Cracka Behavior], if you still want to debate about something you can go to HF Gay Marriage. That is, of course, if you dissagree with me or have anything to add. *shrugs*

2004-09-24 [OrangeFire16]: WOW you people type huge paregraphs

2004-09-25 [Typical Cracka Behavior]: We have a lot to say.

2004-09-25 [OrangeFire16]: i can see that, i'm to lazy to type that much plus i'm a slow typer

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: ello..

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: aloha

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: hows it goin?

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: good but bored sitting here eating chocolate. You?

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: uhm.. im ok.. my s/n got deleted and i cant member all the wikis i was in arg.. but tis ok..

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: ...what?! How did that happen?

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: uhm..just did.. so..yeah...

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: don't ask...ok, gotcha ;)

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: yeah..

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: *hums a tune*

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: *trys to guess the tune...*

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: lol, guess it and I'll give you a balloon.

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: uhm.. *sigh* i do not know.. but i have to leave for now.. i shall say goodnite and speak to you tomorrow.. goodnite

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: ok, later

2004-09-28 [Cam Static]: this is stupid.. let the gay people do what they want! They are people too, they have the same rights as straight people. it's not up to straight people to rule over the gays. This is almost as bad as the racism against black people. >.<

2004-09-28 [OrangeFire16]: we are expressing our opinions in OUR wiki i don't go to your wiki and say how stupid it is

2004-09-28 [dr]: but what about the bible? whatever happened the way marriage was supposed to be? if same sexes were supposed to be together, then there would be reproductive ways for same sexes.

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: There are currently methods by which scientists can combine the reproductive cells of gay couples to produce offspring. Lesbians do not require a surragte mother but gay males do.

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: whoa!! hold your horses...we are not discriminating against gay people. We (by we I mean straight people) do not rule over them. Here in america, we are all subject to the same laws and freedoms. If everyone could go about going whatever they want, there would be chaos. I strongly believe and support marriage only for heterosexual couples because I believe that is the way things were meant to be. There should be some kind of government union for gay couples to get financial privilages and such, but the sanctity of marriage should be reserved only for men and women couples.

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: oops, doing whatever they want*

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: God does not count anyway. He is not everyone's god, and the government cannot seek to satisfy all religions. Gay marriage is a governemtn issue, not religious.

2004-09-28 [dr]: i believe that if there isn't a natural way for a couple to reproduce, then it shouldn't be.

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: So you think that somehow allowing gays to marry... cheapens the concept of marriage? If they are the same thing in the eyes of the law, then why not call them by the same name? Does the name really matter? There are other religions that would afford gay couples marriage... not all are as strict as christianity.

2004-09-28 [dr]: ...but then again...me being christian and all...

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: [dr] I actually agree with that point... I was just showing that homosexual reproduction is possible.

2004-09-28 [dr]: i'm not saying that gay people themselves are bad though, one of my best friends are gay

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: ok, here's one thing thats been irritating me for a long time... The government CAN NOT satisfy all the people all the time. Lately it seems that they have been trying to satisfy the minority desires and have ignored the majority desires!

2004-09-28 [dr]: i don't agree with the way he feels about other guys, but that doesn't mean he's a bad person

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: Support Gay Marriage has almost 1000 members where as this wiki has 61. Who's the majority?

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: You cannot say "Gay marriage should be banned because our god is against it" or other religions can begin to butt their noses into the government and we may eventually become a theocrasy. Every religion will demand that their laws be sanctioned by the government. Polygamy, animal sacrifice, druge use, etc... religions would try to make these things legal becuase they are part of their belief system. It opens the door to far too much.

2004-09-28 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: if i had one word to describe myself it would be...fluffy puff marshmellows!!!! or homestar....either one...they both work!!!! Any one else here know about HOmestar Runner?

2004-09-28 [dr]: it's not just my religion. my opinion without my religion is that it's wrong. and also... this is a password protected page. so anyone who just wants to be in it cant put their name down simply. they have to message people first.

2004-09-28 [dr]: and yes, i do know about "homestaw wunnuh" (that's what it sounds like to me ;P )

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: yeah, support gay marriage has been around alot longer than this page too.

2004-09-28 [HellzHalo426]: ... this makes no sense ... you may not agree with not having gay marriage but these people due.. we all know that I support gay marriage but why should we harass people who have done nothing to hurt us? they are expressing their opinion as we all have before.. its not about hoos been around longer or hoo has more supporters its about expressing your own opinion and not harassing others for their opinion bcuz then you are no better then the people you disagree with..

2004-09-28 [HiddenFire]: I'm not harrasing anyone. I am usually content to have a normal convorsation until someone comes in and stirs things up. Then people come back with... er... not very good arguements that I can't help but challenge. In any case, how can anyone believe in something so firmly unless they test their convictions? You never know how strong your faith is until it's challanged.

2004-09-28 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: thats because thats what he talks like

2004-09-29 [OrangeFire16]: I've been given word that a few of our members have been sending insulting messages to supporters of gay marrige and i'm furious, whoever is doing it STOP!!

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: thats not cool....hypicrates....

2004-09-29 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: wasen't me...i keep my insulting messages here...thats just lame otherwise

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: well, an important feature of democracy is speration of church and state. They should NOT let religion affect other people that are not religious. Besides, what's the harm...?

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: this country was founded on christian beliefs. Our motto is "In God we trust". The majority of the country is christian. I believe its better to please the majority of the population than do away with everything just to accomodate the lesser minorities.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: so, alot of christians believe in gay marriage too.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: The job of a govt is to balance the rights of indivisuals and the rights of all people as a whole. Another feature of democracy is, they should protect minorities and NOT descriminate against them.

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: who said anything about discriminating against them? I simply meant that you can not please everyone. All you can do is try your best to make the majority of a country happy, and in the US, I believe that a good majority would not want gays to have the same right to marry that straight people do.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: yes, but i would consider not letting them marry to be discrimination, i'll let you americans sort it out i guess, but if the majority votes for gay marriage than so be it; but in the mean time, gay people can come to canada to marry if they want. The options are more open up here.

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: yes, many things are different in canada. And I don't consider it discrimination by not letting them marry, but that is my opinion.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: Yes, but we don't live in igloos for your info. :P

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: And gay marriage hasn't changed anything up here, everything is normal and stuff. Except for the people that are getting pissy about it. Only a few, thankfully.

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: dude, my grandma is from Canada. I have been to Canada. I know what its like there.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: umm..i'm female.

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: lol, just the same. I call everyone dude. Don't be offended.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: lol, just that alot of people think i'm a guy, cause' of my name...kinda funny.

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: thats one of the advantages of having the handle, "Lioness". No one mistakes me for being a guy.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: right.

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: brb, gonna get some food :)

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: it's like 9pm here lol.

2004-09-29 [dr]: i am the mysterious dr. no one can tell my gender by my name!!!

2004-09-29 [Leelo]: Hey

2004-09-29 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: hey!!!

2004-09-29 [levhole]: This is not a democracy, it is a republic and our contry was founded under god so seperation is impossible

2004-09-29 [HellzHalo426]: hello everyone! *passes out toaster strudles!* how was everyones day?

2004-09-30 [Lioness123]: mmMMmm....strudles! *takes one and devours it whole*

2004-09-30 [HellzHalo426]: wooty!

2004-09-30 [dr]: *gasp!* do tell me they're blueberry!!!

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yumm!!!

2004-09-30 [dr]: do we get the frosting, too???

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: i hope so

2004-09-30 [dr]: :P'''''' frosting....

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: mm...food all toether *oh boy...i can spell tonight x__x*

2004-09-30 [dr]: :D food!

2004-09-30 [Lioness123]: *brings out angelfood cake with whipped cream icing*

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: no..no...you stop that RIGHT now...i MEAN IT, i'm so stinkin hungry, all i had was leftover spaghetti

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: *whimpers at the sight of it*

2004-09-30 [Lioness123]: *sigh* ok, I'll get rid of it...*looks for hungry dog*

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: *grabs cake* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i lulled you into a false sense of security *eats cake*

2004-09-30 [dr]: *whimper* none for me..?

2004-09-30 [Lioness123]: hey! thats for everybody! *chases after hobitz with cake cutter*

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: EHEHEHEHEHEEH *runs on sugar high*...than comes to a coplete hault....she stands with the cake in her hands and head dropped, she's asleep

2004-09-30 [Lioness123]: *takes back cake and distrubutes it among people in room*

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: ok..for real now....i'm done with homework and i have 5.5 hours to sleep..g'night all